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		<title>By: Skendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This site talks about other potential medicinal uses of Salvia Divinorum, read it: http://www.salviasociety.org/salvia-medicinal-uses.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site talks about other potential medicinal uses of Salvia Divinorum, read it: <a href="http://www.salviasociety.org/salvia-medicinal-uses.htm">http://www.salviasociety.org/salvia-medicinal-uses.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/the-unjustified-war-on-salvia-divinorum/#comment-28504</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I am not sure about all of this, but I can say that salvia is being a huge help to me. 

Recently I found out I had a ruptured disk in my neck. Yes, I've been in terrible pain.  I have lost 98% use of my tricep in my right arm due to severe nerve damage. I have been in pain for about 10 years and have been misdiagnosed on several occasions. I would go to doctors and tell them I was in severe pain and that it was in my back behind my shoulder blade on my right arm, and that the pain was shooting down my arm. They would see if swelling was present, then send me to X-ray. Nothing would show up in the X-ray and no swelling was present. The doctors (every one of them I had been to see) would treat me as if I was a drug seeker. In other words, prescribe me crap like weak muscle relaxers and naproxsen (which is basically Aleve) and send me on my way. 

I was unable hold a job very long because of the pain, so I never had any insurance. So I resorted in working at restaurants, mainly because no one else would hire me due to my work history. I had to file bankrupt twice just because of hospital bills. Well my wife of 7 years got a great job with the county with excellent benefits bcbs. And I got some crappy insurance through a restaurant I have worked at for a while. 

Well mothers day this year we were very busy and I must have aggravated it. Not really sure though, it may have just been the straw that broke the camels back. I had 2 days off after mothers day when I began to have pain in my back and arm once again. It was the same as ever. I went to an after hour clinic and even with double coverage they still looked at me like I was some kind of drug seeker, wrote me a prescription of some crap that has never worked in the past, and sent me on my way to the pharmacy. I dropped it off - they said it would be ready in an hour. So an hour passes by and I return. When I walked up to the counter they rang it up and as I was reaching for my wallet the power went off and the refused to give me my meds or my prescription back. 

Furious, I went back to the doctor and told him what had happened at the pharmacy and that I needed something for pain until the morning when I could get my prescription filled. With an aggravated look on his face he told me to take some Motrin. I am not the type of person to cuss someone out, but with the pain I was feeling I couldn't hold back. My exact word to him were "you stupid son of a bitch that's what i have been taking. If it was helping me at all I would have never came in here in the first place". 

The next morning when I awoke I noticed that my thumb, index, and middle finger were numb. I just figured I had just slept funny. when it was still numb at noon I became worried. My wife wigged out bad and said she thought I might be having a heart attack and made me go see another doctor. So I did. I told this doctor about  my arm and under my shoulder blade hurting for the past ten years and how I cussed out a doctor the night before.he checked my eyes and stuff to see if I may have had a stroke. No stroke he said. He then had me look in different directions  up.....does it hurt...no......down......ouch........left.....no pain........right......ouch.  He looked at me and said it sounds like a ruptured or bulging disk. He sceduled me for an MRI. Results came back saying I indeed had a ruptured disk and a herniated disk as well. He prescribed me Loratab 7.5 and told me that there was no pain medication that could make the pain go away and made me an appointment with a neurosurgeon. 

So now i have to wait until June 24th to have surgery. The pain has increased so much I can't sleep. I was reading articles about pain relief and stumbled across a site about salvia having pain relieving effects like morphine without awful side effects such and breathing problems, constipation, and addiction. Only thing it was also a hallucinogenic drug.

I was in intense pain a couple of days ago and found a head shop that sold it. I bought some 5x extract being the weakest of all they had available. Later on that night I smoked some out of a corncob novelty pipe I had bought to make a snowman with this past winter. I took a drag from it and maybe felt a little strange for a minute but other than that nothing. Except my pain went away. For the first time in two weeks I slept like a baby - didn't wake up once. 

The doctor has told me I may have permanent nerve damage and will have to go to pain management. It will take over 8 weeks to recover from surgery but if the nerve pain is permanent I may hurt the rest of my life. I hope salvia isn't made illegal because it has been the only thing that has touched the pain I am in. 

Sorry about how long this reply is. I just want to let people know of the medical potential of salvia. I believe it should at least stay legal for its non-addictive pain relieving qualities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I am not sure about all of this, but I can say that salvia is being a huge help to me. </p>
<p>Recently I found out I had a ruptured disk in my neck. Yes, I&#8217;ve been in terrible pain.  I have lost 98% use of my tricep in my right arm due to severe nerve damage. I have been in pain for about 10 years and have been misdiagnosed on several occasions. I would go to doctors and tell them I was in severe pain and that it was in my back behind my shoulder blade on my right arm, and that the pain was shooting down my arm. They would see if swelling was present, then send me to X-ray. Nothing would show up in the X-ray and no swelling was present. The doctors (every one of them I had been to see) would treat me as if I was a drug seeker. In other words, prescribe me crap like weak muscle relaxers and naproxsen (which is basically Aleve) and send me on my way. </p>
<p>I was unable hold a job very long because of the pain, so I never had any insurance. So I resorted in working at restaurants, mainly because no one else would hire me due to my work history. I had to file bankrupt twice just because of hospital bills. Well my wife of 7 years got a great job with the county with excellent benefits bcbs. And I got some crappy insurance through a restaurant I have worked at for a while. </p>
<p>Well mothers day this year we were very busy and I must have aggravated it. Not really sure though, it may have just been the straw that broke the camels back. I had 2 days off after mothers day when I began to have pain in my back and arm once again. It was the same as ever. I went to an after hour clinic and even with double coverage they still looked at me like I was some kind of drug seeker, wrote me a prescription of some crap that has never worked in the past, and sent me on my way to the pharmacy. I dropped it off - they said it would be ready in an hour. So an hour passes by and I return. When I walked up to the counter they rang it up and as I was reaching for my wallet the power went off and the refused to give me my meds or my prescription back. </p>
<p>Furious, I went back to the doctor and told him what had happened at the pharmacy and that I needed something for pain until the morning when I could get my prescription filled. With an aggravated look on his face he told me to take some Motrin. I am not the type of person to cuss someone out, but with the pain I was feeling I couldn&#8217;t hold back. My exact word to him were &#8220;you stupid son of a bitch that&#8217;s what i have been taking. If it was helping me at all I would have never came in here in the first place&#8221;. </p>
<p>The next morning when I awoke I noticed that my thumb, index, and middle finger were numb. I just figured I had just slept funny. when it was still numb at noon I became worried. My wife wigged out bad and said she thought I might be having a heart attack and made me go see another doctor. So I did. I told this doctor about  my arm and under my shoulder blade hurting for the past ten years and how I cussed out a doctor the night before.he checked my eyes and stuff to see if I may have had a stroke. No stroke he said. He then had me look in different directions  up&#8230;..does it hurt&#8230;no&#8230;&#8230;down&#8230;&#8230;ouch&#8230;&#8230;..left&#8230;..no pain&#8230;&#8230;..right&#8230;&#8230;ouch.  He looked at me and said it sounds like a ruptured or bulging disk. He sceduled me for an MRI. Results came back saying I indeed had a ruptured disk and a herniated disk as well. He prescribed me Loratab 7.5 and told me that there was no pain medication that could make the pain go away and made me an appointment with a neurosurgeon. </p>
<p>So now i have to wait until June 24th to have surgery. The pain has increased so much I can&#8217;t sleep. I was reading articles about pain relief and stumbled across a site about salvia having pain relieving effects like morphine without awful side effects such and breathing problems, constipation, and addiction. Only thing it was also a hallucinogenic drug.</p>
<p>I was in intense pain a couple of days ago and found a head shop that sold it. I bought some 5x extract being the weakest of all they had available. Later on that night I smoked some out of a corncob novelty pipe I had bought to make a snowman with this past winter. I took a drag from it and maybe felt a little strange for a minute but other than that nothing. Except my pain went away. For the first time in two weeks I slept like a baby - didn&#8217;t wake up once. </p>
<p>The doctor has told me I may have permanent nerve damage and will have to go to pain management. It will take over 8 weeks to recover from surgery but if the nerve pain is permanent I may hurt the rest of my life. I hope salvia isn&#8217;t made illegal because it has been the only thing that has touched the pain I am in. </p>
<p>Sorry about how long this reply is. I just want to let people know of the medical potential of salvia. I believe it should at least stay legal for its non-addictive pain relieving qualities.</p>
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		<title>By: chosung</title>
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		<dc:creator>chosung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first used salvia about 4 years ago, I nearly fought the guy 
who let me smoke it. I left my body and thought I died and nobody
could see or me hear me when I tried to talk to them. It was not 
a fun feeling. I nearly flipped out. That's as close to death as I ever
wanted to get. Then recently my best friend wanted to try some so 
he went to a head shop, purchased the strongest blend, and we both
went back to his house and prepared for the trip. Well naturally my friend smoked it and didn't hold it in long enough
so he didn't get the full effect. But when I took a hit I nearly lost my shit again.
This time I couldn't get out my seat. Everytime I tied to get
up new arms would grow and latch back on the chair arms. It was  definitely a negative feeling, like I wasn't in control. I wouldn't suggest doing this drug. It was and is the feeling of the strongest hit of acid you could ever trip on. As far as seeing GOD, no. And people who say they do are crazy. These mexican shamans got some balls to be smoking that shit. You might as well role up all drugs in one big old joint and take a puff, cause it's no different from trying to feel what death feels like.

Say what you want in rebuttal but I know I'll never do that shit
again. And if you want to try smoking, go ahead. But don't be mad 
or suprised when you flip the fuck out. Sorry if I offend all the salvy
heads who read this, but I just want to warn the people who trye this 
stuff before they have the expeirience I had.

yours truly 
chosung</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first used salvia about 4 years ago, I nearly fought the guy<br />
who let me smoke it. I left my body and thought I died and nobody<br />
could see or me hear me when I tried to talk to them. It was not<br />
a fun feeling. I nearly flipped out. That&#8217;s as close to death as I ever<br />
wanted to get. Then recently my best friend wanted to try some so<br />
he went to a head shop, purchased the strongest blend, and we both<br />
went back to his house and prepared for the trip. Well naturally my friend smoked it and didn&#8217;t hold it in long enough<br />
so he didn&#8217;t get the full effect. But when I took a hit I nearly lost my shit again.<br />
This time I couldn&#8217;t get out my seat. Everytime I tied to get<br />
up new arms would grow and latch back on the chair arms. It was  definitely a negative feeling, like I wasn&#8217;t in control. I wouldn&#8217;t suggest doing this drug. It was and is the feeling of the strongest hit of acid you could ever trip on. As far as seeing GOD, no. And people who say they do are crazy. These mexican shamans got some balls to be smoking that shit. You might as well role up all drugs in one big old joint and take a puff, cause it&#8217;s no different from trying to feel what death feels like.</p>
<p>Say what you want in rebuttal but I know I&#8217;ll never do that shit<br />
again. And if you want to try smoking, go ahead. But don&#8217;t be mad<br />
or suprised when you flip the fuck out. Sorry if I offend all the salvy<br />
heads who read this, but I just want to warn the people who trye this<br />
stuff before they have the expeirience I had.</p>
<p>yours truly<br />
chosung</p>
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		<title>By: Happy enjoying life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy enjoying life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried it and must say that it was exactly what I needed in every way. The profound wonderful life changing experience was so meaningful and spiritual that I wished to share it with the world. I also gained the wisdom to know that doing so would be wrong. I can understand especially when people partake of it in similar ways as they do "drugs" why there are many trying to exploit salvia to get "high" and why there are others trying to make it illegal however, it would be a terrible mistake to make it illegal just as its a mistake to take it to get high. I could agree with controlling it like alcohol but I still think that any governmental control of it would be wrong. What would be right is telling the truth about it. Explaining that it does not get you high. But that it opens doors that were previously closed. Doors that need to remain closed until a person is mature enough to navigate them. 

I now can be high on life just as the judgmental poster above stated because I understand my place in Life from a cleaned and refreshed point of view. In my case I finally can trust what I always wanted to trust which is that Jesus Christ and the Bible is right. I fought with that for years because of my scientific background. However, I now realize just how wrong most of the organized Churches are since I have experience the Glory of the Lord first hand. P.S. This thing we call Life is just a Game. One of Many. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried it and must say that it was exactly what I needed in every way. The profound wonderful life changing experience was so meaningful and spiritual that I wished to share it with the world. I also gained the wisdom to know that doing so would be wrong. I can understand especially when people partake of it in similar ways as they do &#8220;drugs&#8221; why there are many trying to exploit salvia to get &#8220;high&#8221; and why there are others trying to make it illegal however, it would be a terrible mistake to make it illegal just as its a mistake to take it to get high. I could agree with controlling it like alcohol but I still think that any governmental control of it would be wrong. What would be right is telling the truth about it. Explaining that it does not get you high. But that it opens doors that were previously closed. Doors that need to remain closed until a person is mature enough to navigate them. </p>
<p>I now can be high on life just as the judgmental poster above stated because I understand my place in Life from a cleaned and refreshed point of view. In my case I finally can trust what I always wanted to trust which is that Jesus Christ and the Bible is right. I fought with that for years because of my scientific background. However, I now realize just how wrong most of the organized Churches are since I have experience the Glory of the Lord first hand. P.S. This thing we call Life is just a Game. One of Many. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Mistress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mistress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, 
I tried it. I loved it. It was like no drug I've ever taken before. However I started twitching. Badly. I twitched for two and a half days after it. continually. my left pec twitched, it was painful and hard to sleep. I was worn out and sore at the end. That's never happened to me before. Has anyone else had any adverse side effects? Please email me with information or comments. I probably will never find this site again : / 

angeiepants_12@yahoo.com

Please respect my privacy and do not spam me or give out my email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,<br />
I tried it. I loved it. It was like no drug I&#8217;ve ever taken before. However I started twitching. Badly. I twitched for two and a half days after it. continually. my left pec twitched, it was painful and hard to sleep. I was worn out and sore at the end. That&#8217;s never happened to me before. Has anyone else had any adverse side effects? Please email me with information or comments. I probably will never find this site again : / </p>
<p><a href="mailto:angeiepants_12@yahoo.com">angeiepants_12@yahoo.com</a></p>
<p>Please respect my privacy and do not spam me or give out my email.</p>
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