Comments on: Is Salvia Divinorum Really a Teacher Plant? http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/salvia-divinorum-a-teacher-plant/ Opening doors to consciousness, spirituality, and the awakening Thu, 10 May 2012 04:12:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: andrielle http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/salvia-divinorum-a-teacher-plant/#comment-59869 andrielle Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:36:30 +0000 http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/salvia-divinorum-a-teacher-plant/#comment-59869 hey guys, check out this site I just found about Salvia: www.salviasociety.org  I heard about it on Fox News last night. The guy who owns it was talking how he's trying to stop legislation in different states from banning the herb.  I hope he succeeds, meanwhile they just banned it in my State (Minnesota) hey guys, check out this site I just found about Salvia: http://www.salviasociety.org  I heard about it on Fox News last night. The guy who owns it was talking how he’s trying to stop legislation in different states from banning the herb.  I hope he succeeds, meanwhile they just banned it in my State (Minnesota)

]]> By: chris http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/salvia-divinorum-a-teacher-plant/#comment-58846 chris Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:07:49 +0000 http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/salvia-divinorum-a-teacher-plant/#comment-58846 Star, thank you for sharing that intense experience. Anyone venturing into the salvia world should read of your experience, first. I also see what you described in the beginning, that of reality turning into lines. Great account. Thanks again. Star, thank you for sharing that intense experience. Anyone venturing into the salvia world should read of your experience, first.

I also see what you described in the beginning, that of reality turning into lines.

Great account. Thanks again.

]]> By: star http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/salvia-divinorum-a-teacher-plant/#comment-58844 star Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:46:43 +0000 http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/salvia-divinorum-a-teacher-plant/#comment-58844 After ingestion, I immediately felt and heard an oncoming rush. I saw all reality turn to lines (like rain on a windshield while driving) and rip away. I felt the oncoming sound of something falling through the universe. It was the sound of the universe ending. I saw in my mind everything from all times just being ripped up and erased FOREVER. OK? Understand that? Forever! I immediately tried to end the process which I knew was going to exterminate me along with everything. I began begging God. No answer. As death grew closer and closer I saw all the layers of my karma, who I am, being exposed. And even though I maintained a purity through several levels (which was a mere matter of seconds), it finally became evident that I believe in nothing and have a great sad shallowness to me. Now this idea is exactly opposite to how I feel about my life. But suddenly I was exposed and nothing I could do was going to stop me from disappearing completely. "Im not ready!!!" I began yelling over and over, "please!" Finally with no help from God, and the sensation that the rushing doom was nearly upon me, I cowered on the floor crying out for help. Next I realized that if I didn't run I was going to be crushed (and the world was going to end). So I bolted. Hard. More panicked than i have ever been in my life. I am an extreme veteran of psychedelics, and I am a firefighter, and yet I have never felt such driving mindless terror - ever. I should also mention that I was on my way to the shower when I decided to sit for a moment before my Buddhist altar to puff. It had been a long time so I forgot what happens! Anyway, silly as it sounds I was sitting naked when I toked. Big mistake. I was halfway down my street yelling "no! no! im not ready! im sorry im not ready, please!" when suddenly I came down enough to freak out at the fact that I was running in public NAKED. Luckily I live in the country or else I would have ended up in jail as a drugged out perv. I ran back to the house and the trip faded. Then I started bawling like a little kid. I am a 33 yr old man and I cried and cried. That's how scared I got. (I also knew that by taking this I had simply asked to be taken or harvested by the big whatever, but I changed my mind quickly let me tell you!) All I could think is how precious life is. I realized how dammed attached I am but also found renewed beauty and lust for life. Please be warned. Use precautions and be aware that this is a tool, not a toy. You might end up having to face issues that cause you to react in ways you never expected. Peace, hope, and blessings to my fellow travelers.....star After ingestion, I immediately felt and heard an oncoming rush. I saw all reality turn to lines (like rain on a windshield while driving) and rip away. I felt the oncoming sound of something falling through the universe. It was the sound of the universe ending. I saw in my mind everything from all times just being ripped up and erased FOREVER. OK? Understand that? Forever!

I immediately tried to end the process which I knew was going to exterminate me along with everything. I began begging God. No answer.

As death grew closer and closer I saw all the layers of my karma, who I am, being exposed. And even though I maintained a purity through several levels (which was a mere matter of seconds),
it finally became evident that I believe in nothing and have a great sad shallowness to me. Now this idea is exactly opposite to how I feel about my life. But suddenly I was exposed and nothing I could do was going to stop me from disappearing completely.

“Im not ready!!!” I began yelling over and over, “please!” Finally with no help from God, and the sensation that the rushing doom was nearly upon me, I cowered on the floor crying out for help. Next I realized that if I didn’t run I was going to be crushed (and the world was going to end). So I bolted. Hard. More panicked than i have ever been in my life.

I am an extreme veteran of psychedelics, and I am a firefighter, and yet I have never felt such driving mindless terror – ever. I should also mention that I was on my way to the shower when I decided to sit for a moment before my Buddhist altar to puff. It had been a long time so I forgot what happens! Anyway, silly as it sounds I was sitting naked when I toked. Big mistake. I was halfway down my street yelling “no! no! im not ready! im sorry im not ready, please!” when suddenly I came down enough to freak out at the fact that I was running in public NAKED.

Luckily I live in the country or else I would have ended up in jail as a drugged out perv. I ran back to the house and the trip faded. Then I started bawling like a little kid. I am a 33 yr old man and I cried and cried. That’s how scared I got. (I also knew that by taking this I had simply asked to be taken or harvested by the big whatever, but I changed my mind quickly let me tell you!) All I could think is how precious life is. I realized how dammed attached I am but also found renewed beauty and lust for life.

Please be warned. Use precautions and be aware that this is a tool, not a toy. You might end up having to face issues that cause you to react in ways you never expected.

Peace, hope, and blessings to my fellow travelers…..star

]]> By: chris http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/salvia-divinorum-a-teacher-plant/#comment-58552 chris Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:44:14 +0000 http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/salvia-divinorum-a-teacher-plant/#comment-58552 thompst, you bring up an interesting thought about consciousness. We all are made of matter, yet at what point does consciousness enter the picture? Perhaps even the atom has some degree of consciousness. Your comments also highlight what I feel is the value of salvia - that it causes you to question assumptions on reality. In that sense there is a "spiritual" benefit to salvia. thompst, you bring up an interesting thought about consciousness. We all are made of matter, yet at what point does consciousness enter the picture? Perhaps even the atom has some degree of consciousness.

Your comments also highlight what I feel is the value of salvia – that it causes you to question assumptions on reality. In that sense there is a “spiritual” benefit to salvia.

]]> By: thompst http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/salvia-divinorum-a-teacher-plant/#comment-58542 thompst Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:29:28 +0000 http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/salvia-divinorum-a-teacher-plant/#comment-58542 Sorry, third entry in a row, but now that I've had time to digest the experience, I'm left with two possible conclusions: 1> the "drug" conclusion is that this interferes with perception of reality but keeps consciousness intact-- like, maybe the consciousness you had in the womb. 2> maybe not incompatible with 1, but a lot weirder: maybe there are all sorts of consiousnesses around us at all times. Maybe microbes are conscious. Maybe things that we don't even know about are conscious. Sure, they don't think with words, but maybe they still experience, think, and perceive, on completely different levels. This is, really, how I feel after this drug-- that "normal" consciousness is one thin veneer that we hold on to with all our might, terrified of our mortality, while in actuality consciousness exists in all sorts of ways-- maybe plants, maybe bacteria, maybe other animals, maybe light waves, maybe all sorts of things. Perhaps what we do as people "consciously" is not so conscious, or directed by us, after all-- like, for example, dating and having sex. Why is this in "my" interest? Sex is fun, sure, but why? It's in the species' interest, but what is this "species interest"? Does a species think? This is only a top layer of what I'm getting at, here, and all these thoughts are in my mind due to my trip on Salvia..... Like I said, I don't take reality, or myself, quite so seriously after Salvia..... Sorry, third entry in a row, but now that I’ve had time to digest the experience, I’m left with two possible conclusions:
1> the “drug” conclusion is that this interferes with perception of reality but keeps consciousness intact– like, maybe the consciousness you had in the womb.
2> maybe not incompatible with 1, but a lot weirder: maybe there are all sorts of consiousnesses around us at all times. Maybe microbes are conscious. Maybe things that we don’t even know about are conscious. Sure, they don’t think with words, but maybe they still experience, think, and perceive, on completely different levels. This is, really, how I feel after this drug– that “normal” consciousness is one thin veneer that we hold on to with all our might, terrified of our mortality, while in actuality consciousness exists in all sorts of ways– maybe plants, maybe bacteria, maybe other animals, maybe light waves, maybe all sorts of things. Perhaps what we do as people “consciously” is not so conscious, or directed by us, after all– like, for example, dating and having sex. Why is this in “my” interest? Sex is fun, sure, but why? It’s in the species’ interest, but what is this “species interest”? Does a species think? This is only a top layer of what I’m getting at, here, and all these thoughts are in my mind due to my trip on Salvia….. Like I said, I don’t take reality, or myself, quite so seriously after Salvia…..

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