Comments on: California’s Balanced Approach to Salvia Divinorum http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/californias-balanced-approach-to-salvia-divinorum/ Spiritual wisdom, rational mysticism, body mind healing Sat, 09 May 2009 00:37:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: John George http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/californias-balanced-approach-to-salvia-divinorum/#comment-35088 John George Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:00:32 +0000 http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/californias-balanced-approach-to-salvia-divinorum/#comment-35088 I am an old US Army Infantryman from the late 70's. While in the military, as well as after returning from my tour. I used a wide range of hallucinogens in an attempt to find away too relieve extremely stressful situations that I had found myself in, more times than I wish too recall! (As well as some of the best and closest friends that I had the honour of knowing in my entire life thus far! and seeing many/most of those friends being killed i.e.; KIA's/MIA's aka; killed-in-action/missing-in-action!) And, all with good results! Meaning that I experienced both, having a good trip while on the particular hallucinogen that I had taken, an even better, more prominent feeling of ?well-being?, and an almost euphoric feeling, which at first I had assumed was from me, "coming down". Only to then learn (with some that this new-found attitude was lasting for weeks, months and in more than just a few times lasted more than an entire year. I had completely lost a "phobia" that I had for as far back as I could remember, as well as completely relieving me of my panic attacks, that my family doctor used too give me medication for e.g.: diazepam, xanax, ect., in order too try keeping my "panic-attacks" somewhat in-check/under-control. However, after doing some of these hallucinogens, I did not have to go to my doctor in order to get myself medication for my life-long panic-attack problem for a number of years after taking these hallucinogens. I had also read extensively on the different type of hallucinogens that I was planning on taking. Moreover, I always sought to educate myself as much as possible! In addition, I urge anyone that is planning to take any hallucinogen or any kind of drug for that matter too do the same. It would be deeply appreciated by me (& I am sure many others!) for a discussion to start re; how to find Salvia Divinorum enthusiasts, whom would also like to see "SD" available everywhere & especially in Australia! We pay taxes as well as to charge people extravagant amounts of money to be hospitalized & then medical industries give med./drugs for maladies that can be cured most effectively by taking something like Salvia just once or twice (depending on the individual!)? Thus making the medical industry and pharmaceutical companies hurt in the "pocket book"/wallet, because you have now been cured & the cost to the person taking the Salvia (or what ever herb/hallucinogen that was taken by the individual seeker to cure their maladies) almost nothing? & if theirs any cost it would be negligible! Thx from, jaginoz P.S. Please start a discussion on this very important subject! I will be interested to learn as much as possible in all aspects of this topic! I am an old US Army Infantryman from the late 70′s. While in the military, as well as after returning from my tour. I used a wide range of hallucinogens in an attempt to find away too relieve extremely stressful situations that I had found myself in, more times than I wish too recall! (As well as some of the best and closest friends that I had the honour of knowing in my entire life thus far! and seeing many/most of those friends being killed i.e.; KIA’s/MIA’s aka; killed-in-action/missing-in-action!) And, all with good results! Meaning that I experienced both, having a good trip while on the particular hallucinogen that I had taken, an even better, more prominent feeling of ?well-being?, and an almost euphoric feeling, which at first I had assumed was from me, “coming down”. Only to then learn (with some that this new-found attitude was lasting for weeks, months and in more than just a few times lasted more than an entire year. I had completely lost a “phobia” that I had for as far back as I could remember, as well as completely relieving me of my panic attacks, that my family doctor used too give me medication for e.g.: diazepam, xanax, ect., in order too try keeping my “panic-attacks” somewhat in-check/under-control. However, after doing some of these hallucinogens, I did not have to go to my doctor in order to get myself medication for my life-long panic-attack problem for a number of years after taking these hallucinogens. I had also read extensively on the different type of hallucinogens that I was planning on taking. Moreover, I always sought to educate myself as much as possible! In addition, I urge anyone that is planning to take any hallucinogen or any kind of drug for that matter too do the same. It would be deeply appreciated by me (& I am sure many others!) for a discussion to start re; how to find Salvia Divinorum enthusiasts, whom would also like to see “SD” available everywhere & especially in Australia! We pay taxes as well as to charge people extravagant amounts of money to be hospitalized & then medical industries give med./drugs for maladies that can be cured most effectively by taking something like Salvia just once or twice (depending on the individual!)? Thus making the medical industry and pharmaceutical companies hurt in the “pocket book”/wallet, because you have now been cured & the cost to the person taking the Salvia (or what ever herb/hallucinogen that was taken by the individual seeker to cure their maladies) almost nothing? & if theirs any cost it would be negligible! Thx from, jaginoz

P.S. Please start a discussion on this very important subject! I will be interested to learn as much as possible in all aspects of this topic!

]]> By: chris cuellar http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/californias-balanced-approach-to-salvia-divinorum/#comment-29447 chris cuellar Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:55:49 +0000 http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/californias-balanced-approach-to-salvia-divinorum/#comment-29447 THIS BLOG IS RIGHT. SALVIA SHOULD NOT BE SOLD TO THOSE UNDER THE AGE. tHIS SAME APPROACH SHOULD BE USED IN THE CASE OF MARIJUANA BUT SALVIA IS A NON ADDICTIVE DRUG WHOSE EFFECTS LAST ONLY A MATTER OF MINUTES. I SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE OF THE "DRUG". BUT SA I SAID IT IS NON ADDICTIVE SO ONE WILL NOT BE "HOOKED" ON THE "DRUG" THIS BLOG IS RIGHT. SALVIA SHOULD NOT BE SOLD TO THOSE UNDER THE AGE. tHIS SAME APPROACH SHOULD BE USED IN THE CASE OF MARIJUANA BUT SALVIA IS A NON ADDICTIVE DRUG WHOSE EFFECTS LAST ONLY A MATTER OF MINUTES. I SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE OF THE “DRUG”. BUT SA I SAID IT IS NON ADDICTIVE SO ONE WILL NOT BE “HOOKED” ON THE “DRUG”

]]> By: Salvia D http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/californias-balanced-approach-to-salvia-divinorum/#comment-28468 Salvia D Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:12:51 +0000 http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/californias-balanced-approach-to-salvia-divinorum/#comment-28468 The US should ban tobacco and alcohol too. Both FAR FAR more dangerous than salvia. Anyone else sick to death of this hypocrisy? The US should ban tobacco and alcohol too. Both FAR FAR more dangerous than salvia.

Anyone else sick to death of this hypocrisy?

]]> By: Meditation http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/californias-balanced-approach-to-salvia-divinorum/#comment-27645 Meditation Thu, 29 May 2008 10:42:45 +0000 http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/californias-balanced-approach-to-salvia-divinorum/#comment-27645 Meditation is a great way to connect with your spirituality. Not only that but we can actually heal our mind and body through meditation. Meditation is a great way to connect with your spirituality. Not only that but we can actually heal our mind and body through meditation.

]]> By: Loslore http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/californias-balanced-approach-to-salvia-divinorum/#comment-26981 Loslore Sat, 10 May 2008 22:58:54 +0000 http://theordinarymystic.com/blog/californias-balanced-approach-to-salvia-divinorum/#comment-26981 This is in regard to the last post: "the use of plants as a means of expanding consciousness will always require a price you don't have to pay, if you meditate." Use of plants is a tool in the same way meditation, fasting, aceticism are tools. Some people know develop skills in order to know how to use these tools, while others do not. Maybe you are speaking of the $cost$ of the plant - because meditation is free? Everything has a cost - time, effort, the pain involved with prolonged sitting postures for example. What we are dealing with is a discipline in one way or another. Plants and entheogens appear to force such discipline ON SOME PEOPLE. While others it forces the opposite - reckless anarchy. But in each case what we have is the intention of our actions, the purpose behind the intention, and the desired result, which informs the purpose. Those who know what they are doing approach it this way, with respect. This is true of meditation as well, but I think the main difference between use of plants and meditation is that plants have the ability for transformative experiences because of their ability to push us or teach us beyond our original purpose, intentions, and desired result. Perhaps meditation is as transformative at times, but it takes years of practice - which again is the cost... This is in regard to the last post: “the use of plants as a means of expanding consciousness will always require a price you don’t have to pay, if you meditate.”

Use of plants is a tool in the same way meditation, fasting, aceticism are tools. Some people know develop skills in order to know how to use these tools, while others do not. Maybe you are speaking of the $cost$ of the plant – because meditation is free? Everything has a cost – time, effort, the pain involved with prolonged sitting postures for example.

What we are dealing with is a discipline in one way or another. Plants and entheogens appear to force such discipline ON SOME PEOPLE. While others it forces the opposite – reckless anarchy. But in each case what we have is the intention of our actions, the purpose behind the intention, and the desired result, which informs the purpose. Those who know what they are doing approach it this way, with respect. This is true of meditation as well, but I think the main difference between use of plants and meditation is that plants have the ability for transformative experiences because of their ability to push us or teach us beyond our original purpose, intentions, and desired result. Perhaps meditation is as transformative at times, but it takes years of practice – which again is the cost…

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